tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-354069516366024003.post8909536637251490865..comments2023-12-31T04:10:49.722-08:00Comments on Antinatalism- The Greatest Taboo: Why is Suicide Wrong?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger58125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-354069516366024003.post-39928469165832274172012-03-26T14:45:33.718-07:002012-03-26T14:45:33.718-07:00i like the color scheme of this blog. and also agr...i like the color scheme of this blog. and also agree with the antinatalists. whats all this procreation propaganda going around? whence comes it? its filthy and wicked and full of falsehood. <br /><br />The propagation of the flesh has no claim on blessed Reason.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-354069516366024003.post-19030428644031311102012-02-11T14:28:30.021-08:002012-02-11T14:28:30.021-08:00Sid, I feel your pain, buddy. I think there are so...Sid, I feel your pain, buddy. I think there are so many of us out there. The older you get, the harder it is to get out of that bed! Hope it helps a little to know you're not the only one.Karlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16333013979246343381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-354069516366024003.post-53486618013558581132012-01-29T12:17:32.734-08:002012-01-29T12:17:32.734-08:00After reading your lucid post I realized that ever...After reading your lucid post I realized that everything I do is done out of guilt or fear. <br /><br />I go to work not because I have goals or dreams, but because I am concerned about what others will think if I am a homeless drifter with crunchy pants.<br /><br />I talk to people not because I like them, but because I don't want to be thought of as a freak.<br /><br />I get out of bed on the weekends because I am afraid of going insane and rotting away.Sid Lentzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02783576188683417057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-354069516366024003.post-39020901355612439952011-11-25T12:19:29.016-08:002011-11-25T12:19:29.016-08:00Hahahaha... I sympathize with the suicide, but I d...Hahahaha... I sympathize with the suicide, but I do agree it is a pain in the ass when you depend on public transport to get anywhere.Francois Tremblayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04760072622693359795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-354069516366024003.post-42168131927582217462011-11-25T04:55:38.690-08:002011-11-25T04:55:38.690-08:00I was in central London the other night and approa...I was in central London the other night and approaching a tube station. A big crowd were milling about outside. Apparently someone had thrown themselves in front a train and been killed. Any expressions of sympathy from the crowd? No. Just "What a pain in the arse", "How am I going to get home now?", "I'll be late for the game" etc. People are CUNTS.Karlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-354069516366024003.post-56907062453565696782011-08-30T22:17:44.409-07:002011-08-30T22:17:44.409-07:00As Seen On TV spot we’re confident you will find ...<a href="http://www.seenontvspot.com/" rel="nofollow">As Seen On TV spot </a> we’re confident you will find what you’re looking for. <br />Seen On TV Spot includes Billy Mays products which are some of the hottest <br />As Seen On TV products available. <br />Seen on TV Spot guarantees safe and <br />secure ordering options to ensure our customers have an optimal shopping experience.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-354069516366024003.post-3834898923192456942011-08-09T15:08:03.787-07:002011-08-09T15:08:03.787-07:00I so understand, FLP. Were it not for the misery i...I so understand, FLP. Were it not for the misery it would cause my parents, I would be gone!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-354069516366024003.post-12180031468900138482011-08-09T10:01:48.293-07:002011-08-09T10:01:48.293-07:00The end result of a lack of trying to stay alive i...The end result of a lack of trying to stay alive is death. Suicide is simply a much easier shortcut.FLPnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-354069516366024003.post-58433015633265710512011-08-09T09:58:17.352-07:002011-08-09T09:58:17.352-07:00One thing that I think is often ignored or overloo...One thing that I think is often ignored or overlooked is the fact that people have to actually try to stay alive in order to stay alive. Life isn't some joyride where all one is required to do is lie in a bed of daisies until his or her death; you have to actively prolong it or suffer terrible consequences. I question how ethical it is to make it obligatory for someone to have to actively prolong their life when it's clear they'd rather not.FLPnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-354069516366024003.post-66824919186068520052011-07-17T03:27:05.287-07:002011-07-17T03:27:05.287-07:00Anonymous: I don't know if you are the same pe...Anonymous: I don't know if you are the same person who posed the same question about Jim's daughters in "Laughter is a Muscle Spasm", but either way please see my answer in that blog post.<br /><br />As for your concerns regarding the potential outcomes of the life of your imaginary child, these are indeed valid. Remember, when you reproduce, you are not re-creating yourself. You are creating a new individual. That individual will not necessarily carry your preferences, personal values, intelligence, physical attributes, etc... and even if it does, we all NECESSARILY overestimate the "goodness" of these attributes in ourselves. It would be a sovereign entity and wholly separate from your person. When dealing with the complexity of an abstract concept (a potential being that is not made physically manifest in this universe), philanthropic antinatalism demands that we err on the side of caution by not creating something out of nothing. You cannot deprive a non-existent entity (potential human) by not reproducing. Especially when it is a guarantee that this being will suffer to some extent in it's life, and will eventually die anyway. Why do you believe that this child would love and revere you, considering the way you feel about your personal concept of God? If you respect the concept of a benevolent creator God, then you wage a war of attrition against that deity by usurping creative power that should, by all rights, rest solely within It's capabilities. Nevermind the insane propaganda that humanity has littered our history with in the form of religion. They have twisted the concept into a deranged monstrosity that is madly in love with itself. DNA is 100% narcissistic and nihilistic.<br /><br />If you truly love the innocence of children, then do not sully their purity by forcing them into a fallen world. Do not seek to make yourself an object of worship, when you are equally filthy, just as the rest of us. If you love God, then leave the creativity in It's hands. A loving God did not create this universe - we did. That is why everything is wrong.<br /><br />The only people who are ready to have children will recognize that they should never have children. Let that settle in for a moment. Consider taking care of and befriending beings that already exist here.<br /><br />If you believe that a deity of perfect love and forgiveness exists outside of our situation, why would you fear judgement? If you focus entirely on that energy, you will not waste your time pursuing human approval, sex, and hoping to live vicariously through DNA.<br /><br />Having children is ALWAYS a selfish endeavor and it is ALWAYS at the expense of someone other than yourself. Please, do not gamble with other people's money.<br /><br />All the bestGarretthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05758430080233229863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-354069516366024003.post-35803309660423016102011-07-17T03:22:45.533-07:002011-07-17T03:22:45.533-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Garretthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05758430080233229863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-354069516366024003.post-75842187211635892472011-07-13T19:31:37.513-07:002011-07-13T19:31:37.513-07:00I found it very liberating the day I decided to st...I found it very liberating the day I decided to stop stigmatizing my wish to be gone (per societal brainwash) as mental illness and instead honor it as the mental health it is.<br /><br />My suicide note would consist of two sentences: "Thanks for the good." And "This is not sad."Sharkbabenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-354069516366024003.post-49228842008099130462011-07-13T11:29:34.305-07:002011-07-13T11:29:34.305-07:00Yes. A great portion of the tragic nature of suici...Yes. A great portion of the tragic nature of suicide is simply due to the suicide prohibition. (Also, the the stupid idea that suicides can and should be prevented, and that family members are negligent for not seeing the "signs" and preventing the suicide. Suicide is not necessarily anyone's fault but the the decedent's.)<br /><br />Suicide need not be any more tragic than a death from cancer or heart disease - and could be considerably less tragic, as there's no loss of desired life for the dying person.Sister Yhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01003897317594535536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-354069516366024003.post-12339789357114920702011-07-12T22:08:08.260-07:002011-07-12T22:08:08.260-07:00This is coming considerably after the blog, and wi...This is coming considerably after the blog, and will likely be missed.<br /><br />If all stigma were removed, we could actually <i>let our friends and family know</i> we wish to die, and explain, instead of jumping down a building and giving explanations -- or not -- later. And if it doesn't actually change our decision, it will at least prepare them all for our passing.Srikanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17825311129187465724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-354069516366024003.post-63396840888580597672011-07-12T07:53:57.659-07:002011-07-12T07:53:57.659-07:00I also think I don't want children because I d...I also think I don't want children because I don't want them to suffer. I'm a promiscuous girl who has been haunted by the sexual double standard (he's a stud, she's a slut) since I first had oral sex at age 13. I remained a virgin until the age of 22 to make society proud of me, but nobody cared, they would all say "why do you always tell people that?" But promiscuous guys get a pat on the back. And my first boyfriend was a stud who cheated on me and got a free pass from my peers ("he's a guy, what do you expect?") I was so depressed and angry about the unfairness of the situation that I rebelled and because a stripper and eventually a prostitute. I got therapy and the therapist said "you must foster a deep, abiding acceptance of your sexuality, whatever you choose it to be." I felt healed to find someone who accepts me and then I encountered many people on the internet who also don't support the double standard and who are also slutty strippers. But sometimes the double standard still haunts me.<br /><br />I don't want to repeat this pattern in a little girl. Sooner or later the topic comes up. It would be painful to watch her complain about the unfairness of the situation or to watch her conform to avoid being punished. S/He won't be me, s/he'll be someone else with different values. What if s/he supports the same injustice that has brought me so much pain?<br /><br />Sometimes I fantasize about having a beautiful daughter who is my clone. It seems very fun to have a mini-me to play with. But that seems like a fantasy and not worth the risk. I don't want my daughter to be ashamed of me and make my life miserable, I don't want nosy people to tell me I'm a bad mom and impose their will on me, and I don't want to witness my daughter get bullied like I have been.<br /><br />I also still believe in God even though I hate it. I'm afraid to go to hell for being agnostic. What if I do end up in hell? What if my fantasy daughter ended up there too?<br /><br />One thing that confuses me though: the guy who runs this website has two daughters. What gives?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-354069516366024003.post-88556227938284482202011-07-11T08:30:15.102-07:002011-07-11T08:30:15.102-07:00@garrett....no need to apologize, i didnt think yo...@garrett....no need to apologize, i didnt think you were trivializing my condition. what you said is true, everybody is going to suffer and die eventually. i can never tell my mother that i wish she didnt have me. she is too emotionally fragile to hear that. my father has had a very emotionally distant relationship with me since my early years (he never wanted a disabled child)<br /><br />@anonymous...thank you.raenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-354069516366024003.post-79666351508933974802011-07-10T10:34:27.511-07:002011-07-10T10:34:27.511-07:00Karl and Rae: I'll definitely expand on my app...Karl and Rae: I'll definitely expand on my apprenticeship experience in a little while.<br /><br />Anon: Yes, I can relate to your position. My parents are decent people. My mom has apologized for the imposition, but she still wants lots of grandchildren. No freakin' way will she get them from me. Unfortunately, my younger brother has recently married and reproduced, so the insanity marches on in their genetic line. My youngest bro seems a little more understanding about life being an imposition... his view may be slowly changing to the antinatal side. My dad on the other hand responded thusly: "I'm sorry you feel that way". So, he isn't apologetic, but he is sorry that I feel the way that I do. Pretty much implies an arrogant attitude of "There's nothing wrong with my point of view, you just need to change the way you see things". Yeah... right. Fortunately, we have some common ground, and I'm not losing sleep over his feelings regarding the issue of creating new life. He'll just have to wait and see how shitty it gets as he ages.<br /><br />Rae: I hope you didn't get the idea that I was dismissing your condition. I can't imagine how you must feel being trapped in that body. I didn't mean to sound insensitive, I'm sorry. Yeah, It's nice to have a place that's lets you be honest, isn't it?Garretthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05758430080233229863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-354069516366024003.post-4788488460701234022011-07-07T13:13:17.450-07:002011-07-07T13:13:17.450-07:00rae: Just remember that you are not alone. However...rae: Just remember that you are not alone. However cold a comfort that might be to you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-354069516366024003.post-51212956163533868742011-07-07T08:21:14.290-07:002011-07-07T08:21:14.290-07:00@garrett....thank you, i also would like to hear m...@garrett....thank you, i also would like to hear more about the tiger training thing. you are right because from the moment we are born we all start to die. its just that the deterioration is far more evident & faster in myself than in most people. i am in my 20's but function more like a 90 year old.<br />@karl...yes i am thrilled to find a blog like this with some like minded people. i have to put on a smile for everybody all the time even tho its a fake smile. at least here i can be real.raenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-354069516366024003.post-21555658621104051602011-07-07T05:48:44.967-07:002011-07-07T05:48:44.967-07:00I have of late been striving to make myself aware ...I have of late been striving to make myself aware of suicides in my community. A rather sobering experience indeed. Again, those intense questions can be posed. How many people living these miserable suicidal circumstances is ok with you? Would you care to live that? Non existent people you say? Ha! Non existent empathy!Cactus Jacknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-354069516366024003.post-11471578067801954592011-07-06T15:52:54.769-07:002011-07-06T15:52:54.769-07:00Christ, Todd, I recently turned 51, although I nei...Christ, Todd, I recently turned 51, although I neither look nor "feel" that age! No vanity, far from it, I've just always looked young for my age. I could probably pass to most for 35. My normal heterosexual sex drive is perversely kept in check by my horror of conceiving a child, a problem most guys don't seem to have...Just rambling, brother.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-354069516366024003.post-76222548929635274992011-07-06T12:04:44.796-07:002011-07-06T12:04:44.796-07:00@Anonymous
Absolutely! The only difference is tha...@Anonymous<br /><br />Absolutely! The only difference is that my parents are both in their early 50s, so statistically I've got a longer stretch of time to try and somehow muddle through.<br /><br />They want me to have kids too, of course, but that's where I draw my line in the sand. I won't break their hearts by killing myself (or at least, as my dad would say, I'll "give it the old college try"), but I refuse to repeat their mistakes. I take some comfort in knowing that my non-kids won't have to thank me for it. :)<br /><br />I think that's pretty much all any of us can do about it, other than "evangelizing" (such as it is). Be well, do good work, keep in touch, and don't create people; that's a four-step plan I can get behind!Toddhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17927263389394763247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-354069516366024003.post-37615444898152582772011-07-06T00:12:05.884-07:002011-07-06T00:12:05.884-07:00Off-topic, but a character expresses ethical antin...Off-topic, but a character expresses ethical antinatalism in a Pakistani movie:<br />http://blogs.tribune.com.pk/story/6540/bol-speaking-silence/<br />Hat-tip to Zachary at Brown Pundits.TGGPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11017651009634767649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-354069516366024003.post-13418784038804091642011-07-05T06:25:05.490-07:002011-07-05T06:25:05.490-07:00@rae I agree with everything Garrett says, my frie...@rae I agree with everything Garrett says, my friend. I hope somehow you are able to derive some sort of consolation from conversing with fellow-spirits on this and the other blogs.<br /><br />@Garrett: Apprentice tiger-trainer! Fascinating! You'll have to tell more!<br /><br />@Anonymous: Thomas Ligotti once said in an interview that one of the reasons that would make him hold off from suicide is his attachment to his family members, and the need to wait for them to die first, so you're not the only one, my friend.Karlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16333013979246343381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-354069516366024003.post-39878358470406121442011-07-04T12:17:18.009-07:002011-07-04T12:17:18.009-07:00My mother, a woman who would walk over coals for m...My mother, a woman who would walk over coals for me, would surely have a psychotic breakdown if I topped myself. It was from her and her family line that I inherited my "illness". I think it's for her I'm sticking around for now. No shame in that, even if one believes in the moral right to suicide. She is 80.<br /><br />Can anyone relate?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com