tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-354069516366024003.post9149835108098151218..comments2023-12-31T04:10:49.722-08:00Comments on Antinatalism- The Greatest Taboo: Antinatalism- A Path to Transcendence?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger57125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-354069516366024003.post-78301360677200254712010-06-26T14:05:50.685-07:002010-06-26T14:05:50.685-07:00We really need one of these
http://tvtropes.org/p...We really need one of these<br /><br />http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OmnicidalManiac<br /><br />I have to admit, if there ever was an agency/freedom fighter-terrorist organization dedicated to making earth an inhospitable environment and if necessary chasing down every single human and do the killing =joins! It would give me that selfish purpose and if i fail at least i quickened earth's/mankind's demise.<br /><br />I better be careful and avoid typing in keywords that are being flagged lol.Ujo Dajanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-354069516366024003.post-38714958650049519762010-06-26T09:27:34.507-07:002010-06-26T09:27:34.507-07:00Oskari:
I knew it. I´d like to know more about wh...Oskari:<br /><br />I knew it. I´d like to know more about what you think of your homeland. I think it´s interesting this whole internacional exchange, that we see here.<br /><br />--------------<br /><br />Human Waste:<br /><br />It´s cool man. <br /><br />I think ideas are to be exposed. We are here to somewhat rant, learn and discuss (non-violently) with one another.<br /><br />--------------<br /><br />My two cents:<br /><br />As I have exposed before somewhat, I also think there´s a thin line between misantropy and philantropy.<br /><br />And it´s also hard to define cause antinatalism, if followed through will end human race, so I think we gotta a paradoxal problem here:<br /><br />We are going to end human suffering, by ending human existence.<br /><br />In the end, the riddle of existence appears again, we cannot actually separate the concepts very well. <br /><br />After all, ending human existence may not be interpreted always as an act of philantropy.<br /><br />But I also think that, it´s a safe starting point, to call this particular case of antinatalism of philantropic. <br /><br />The problem only arises afterwards.<br /><br />----------<br /><br />Cheers to all!Shadownoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-354069516366024003.post-77247324470399066362010-06-26T07:21:39.208-07:002010-06-26T07:21:39.208-07:00CM:
The more I know men, the more I love cows :)...CM:<br /><br /><br />The more I know men, the more I love cows :)<br />By the way... I invented the problem solving robot!Josepnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-354069516366024003.post-74735307973479214462010-06-26T06:50:59.507-07:002010-06-26T06:50:59.507-07:00Jim -
I'd love to hear about piling on. I sel...Jim -<br /><br />I'd love to hear about piling on. I selfishly hope that your frustration with losing the text will not prevent you from re-writing the post. <br /><br />Josep -<br /><br />I think you hit the nail on the head about mis- and philanthropy. I sort of feel a general goodwill towards people, kind of like I do towards cows. I don't eat cows for that reason; it doesn't mean I want to hang out with them or share their interests. <br /><br />Human Waste - <br /><br />You made me feel bad for the poor hungry void, lol. <br /><br />Cactus Jack-<br /><br />I don't have any real advice to give other than what has already been said, but turning to the <a href="http://www.jsayers.com/thingpart/thingpart177.html" rel="nofollow">problem-solving robot</a> once in a while may help.CMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-354069516366024003.post-32417540812862694642010-06-26T05:59:34.122-07:002010-06-26T05:59:34.122-07:00Shadow and Jim,
I was being a bit facetious for t...Shadow and Jim,<br /><br />I was being a bit facetious for the sake of argument (I was trying to make it obvious by my comically exaggerated misanthropy and questionable logic). I really do, for the most part, subscribe to Jim's (and Benatar's) philanthropic views, and I prefer my life of peaceful solitude over chaos and war.<br /><br />I enjoy reading this blog and all of the readers' intelligent comments.Human Wastenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-354069516366024003.post-34978803598526315612010-06-26T03:56:17.740-07:002010-06-26T03:56:17.740-07:00I can't imagine hating people in general. I c...I can't imagine hating people in general. I can sympathize with arsonists, businessmen and child rapists alike. Hell, I can even sympathize with such cold-blooded scum as PARENTS! People just can't handle themselves; their souls can only watch as their bodies go to work.<br /><br />Even if we somehow managed to convince people that procreation is terrible, they would most likely still have kids. Most people have been convinced that environmental pollution is the terriblest of terrors, but that doesn't stop them from polluting. (Regardless of whether environmental pollution is actually terrible.)<br /><br />This does not mean that we can't stop procreation. We simply need to hit people's bodies where it hurts. In other words: MONEY. Brains dig the moneys!<br /><br />Of course, having a kid already costs many moneys, and it hasn't stopped people from having kids. But that's because the trade-off isn't clear up front. The short-term benefit of fulfilling a childwish outweighs the long-term costs. Similarly, incentivizing sterilization can make the short-term benefit of having a ferrari outweigh the long-term cost of not being able to fulfill a childwish.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-354069516366024003.post-2659452749616466332010-06-26T03:34:00.708-07:002010-06-26T03:34:00.708-07:00Oskari:
I know that "conflicting emotions&quo...Oskari:<br />I know that "conflicting emotions" you mention in your post, having experienced them in the course of some christening ceremonies. (I call them "The Herod Syndrome").<br />Plato said (I don't remember where): "Good men dream what bad men put into practice" O something like that. Dreams of mass killing can be a consolation sometimes... Anyone who denies it is a liar.Josepnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-354069516366024003.post-77629140332209575682010-06-26T03:12:15.123-07:002010-06-26T03:12:15.123-07:00Jim,
I've just ordered your book, looks inter...Jim,<br /><br />I've just ordered your book, looks interesting. You do have a knack for writing.<br /><br />BTW, some of my thoughts could be classified as sadistical, I guess, but I wouldn't act on them (except if the need rises...). Always been a miserable, fucked up individual.<br /><br />The fact that my sister recently had a daughter of her own has stirred some conflicting emotions. Of course, I don't hate her kid - like I do most others - I mostly feel sorry for her. <br /><br />And now I'm more sure than ever that I'll never have any of my own.<br /><br />Shadow:<br /><br />Yeah, I'm from the icy wastes of Finland. I hate it here.<br /><br />It's warm here now, though...Oskari666https://www.blogger.com/profile/15833424017324272705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-354069516366024003.post-31073229790824816482010-06-26T01:00:54.420-07:002010-06-26T01:00:54.420-07:00Of course, all this love/hate affair of mine could...Of course, all this love/hate affair of mine could be the result of dyspepsia, an unsatisfactory relationship or the unremitting snoring of my partner (perhasps the cause of the marital insatisfaction) Right? Funny how the demiurg is in the fucking details...<br />What I love of this blog (among many other things) is that you're allowed to rant and whine freely and not being called "cry baby", as would be the case in more manly and virile blogs.Josepnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-354069516366024003.post-86030102087818974212010-06-26T00:06:43.170-07:002010-06-26T00:06:43.170-07:00Sorry! The last "Anonymous" it's Jos...Sorry! The last "Anonymous" it's Josep.Josepnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-354069516366024003.post-91898993403108577432010-06-26T00:05:27.833-07:002010-06-26T00:05:27.833-07:00Philanthropy and misanthropy could be the two side...Philanthropy and misanthropy could be the two sides of the same coin. You can both love and hate humanity, I guess. You can love it for the Geneva Conventions, you can despise it for war crimes. You can love nuclear energy you can hate the Bomb. After all, no other than humanity is to blame for its sorry condition, and no other than humanity can cure itself. I tend to hate humanity for a year, and to love it for two days. Not with you, not without you, humanity. But in the name of love, and to put and end to the hate, we'd be much better without humanity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-354069516366024003.post-11845238983988897172010-06-25T18:16:40.862-07:002010-06-25T18:16:40.862-07:00Human Waste, Oskari:
Naturally, philanthropic ant...Human Waste, Oskari:<br /><br />Naturally, philanthropic antinatalism is motived by a sense of sympathy for the human condition, and for most of us, life in general. If you really wish to 'make your own species suffer', that sounds a lot more like sadism than antinatalism. I can't imagine you have much in common with the impulse driving this blog. <br /><br />As far as 'meaningless' existence is concerned, to my mind it's only meaningless in the sense that there's no grander context to existence to give this 'sub-existence' meaning, which is always a relative state of affairs, after all. But plenty of things are meaningful to me, the abating of <br />suffering be one of them.metamorphhhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12754527748086296743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-354069516366024003.post-9306373022181224162010-06-25T17:52:47.132-07:002010-06-25T17:52:47.132-07:00Human Waste,
Thanks for answering.
Uh,... ok, bu...Human Waste,<br /><br />Thanks for answering.<br /><br />Uh,... ok, but how do you figure that having kids is any better?<br /><br />I mean, you are going to seduce a lady, go out with her some times, so she gets pregnant... so she have a kid, so you feed the kid for long years... and care for him/her.<br /><br />How is that misanthropy?<br /><br />-----<br /><br />Oskari,<br /><br />Thanks!<br /><br />And I´m a non native speaker also. You are from somewhere in the nordic countries, I assume from your website.Shadownoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-354069516366024003.post-21902425310140448822010-06-25T15:09:38.222-07:002010-06-25T15:09:38.222-07:00Shadow,
The thought of bombing things has occurre...Shadow,<br /><br />The thought of bombing things has occurred to me more times than I care to admit (nothing new there). <br /><br />Can't help but agree with you on most of what you said. English isn't my native language so I'm left with deep fucking frustration, as always.Oskari666https://www.blogger.com/profile/15833424017324272705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-354069516366024003.post-52901889811829715622010-06-25T14:55:45.498-07:002010-06-25T14:55:45.498-07:00Shadow,
"Just what´s the problem with the no...Shadow,<br /><br />"Just what´s the problem with the non-reproductive state?"<br /><br />It reeks of one of those compassionate human ideals.Human Wastenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-354069516366024003.post-32426191691378699862010-06-25T14:51:56.162-07:002010-06-25T14:51:56.162-07:00Antinatalism is also a political statement, in whi...Antinatalism is also a political statement, in which you proclaim you dont want your progeny to be a part of society.<br /><br />Ultimately society needs our kids. Even for paying social security money.<br /><br />Dont forget, antinatalism if followed through will anihilate society, by definition.<br /><br />And if you deny society your kids, it´s like saying you want nothing to do it, saying you don´t conform to it´s absurd and idiotic rules and schemes.<br /><br />So what more do you want to do to represent your misanthropy? Start bombing things?Shadownoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-354069516366024003.post-13260273814545368712010-06-25T14:44:41.163-07:002010-06-25T14:44:41.163-07:00Oskari and Human Waste,
C´mon guys.
You can loat...Oskari and Human Waste,<br /><br />C´mon guys.<br /><br />You can loathe and hate the human race all you like it, no one is gonna stop ya.<br /><br />I´m sure not gonna do it, because a little misanthropy only can do you good.<br /><br />Just what´s the problem with the non-reproductive state? It doesn´t negate hate, necessarily.<br /><br />Hate human race, but don´t be a part of it, right?Shadownoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-354069516366024003.post-64225359240475499262010-06-25T13:41:03.969-07:002010-06-25T13:41:03.969-07:00Human Waste,
I kind of agree with you in that I&#...Human Waste,<br /><br />I kind of agree with you in that I'm not concerned with the human race on the whole. I have grown to take pleasure from other peoples' misfortunes, which,in turn, only reinforces my hatred for humans including myself. We're the most fucked up species on this stupid planet. And I guess it means nothing to me. <br /><br />Maybe I shouldn't be posting here at all.Oskari666https://www.blogger.com/profile/15833424017324272705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-354069516366024003.post-50627471079494025682010-06-25T13:15:00.098-07:002010-06-25T13:15:00.098-07:00What the hell was that last paragraph by The Human...What the hell was that last paragraph by The Human Waste?Shadownoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-354069516366024003.post-58420075764683241772010-06-25T12:44:30.254-07:002010-06-25T12:44:30.254-07:00Oskari,
I'm not worried. I'm just curiou...Oskari,<br /><br />I'm not worried. I'm just curious as to why it means so much to everyone here. Life's hell, to be sure, but our struggles against it make it quite comical. And what's a comedy without actors? Breed, you swine! The hilarity must ensue!<br /><br />(Maybe misanthropes just aren't cut out for anti-natalism. After all, what better way to (legally) make your own species suffer than by throwing more meat in the grinder, to create suffering out of nothing, to deepen that "coastal shelf" until it collapses in infinite pain.)Human Wastenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-354069516366024003.post-2130992460408526422010-06-25T11:46:31.741-07:002010-06-25T11:46:31.741-07:00Oscar Bajner:
My point here, is that natalism cann...Oscar Bajner:<br />My point here, is that natalism cannot be a path to anywhere. It all leads down a road which terminates in a sheer bluff. It should be quite clear that I DO take this subject very seriously, but I do not take myself seriously ;)Capice? <br /><br />Feel free to join the legions of the "romatics". I prefer to respect the individual by not forcing life as we know it into being. <br /><br />What kind of question is that? But I will continue to abstain, thank you :) Though, I can't say that I see myself joining anyone in doing so. The concept lends itself to the opposite side of the fence, in fact. Those of you who collide, actually divide. Interesting, no?<br /><br />Is that last part an attempt at facilitating an atavistic reaction? Hmm, I'm just not feeling it. But I do hope you'll stay and drink in the discussions!Garretthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05758430080233229863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-354069516366024003.post-33784751288775189322010-06-25T11:35:02.787-07:002010-06-25T11:35:02.787-07:00Human Waste:
Oh it will be fed. Don't you wor...Human Waste:<br /><br />Oh it will be fed. Don't you worry about that.Oskari666https://www.blogger.com/profile/15833424017324272705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-354069516366024003.post-46850342983133902562010-06-25T11:30:45.691-07:002010-06-25T11:30:45.691-07:00Isn't the anti-natalist philosophy just as mea...Isn't the anti-natalist philosophy just as meaningless, then? What's the point of preventing some worthless individuals from suffering some worthless pains? Why not feed the void? It's clearly hungry.Human Wastenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-354069516366024003.post-30238509487141821842010-06-25T11:18:54.942-07:002010-06-25T11:18:54.942-07:00Hey Oscar Bajner,
I don´t know if I understood al...Hey Oscar Bajner,<br /><br />I don´t know if I understood all your motifs there, but here is the thing:<br /><br />Life sucks. <br />It doesn´t matter, anything we do.<br />Existence is nothing, a mere delusion in the fabric of space.<br /><br />We just don´t want to bring more people into this, that´s all.Shadownoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-354069516366024003.post-76219316377338258532010-06-25T05:05:08.895-07:002010-06-25T05:05:08.895-07:00Antinatalism cannot be a path to anywhere -- or do...Antinatalism cannot be a path to anywhere -- or do you not take yourselves seriously?<br /><br />The rational inevitably leads to inaction, for action is the province of the romantic.<br /><br />Will you really abstain from procreation? Perhaps you will. Perhaps you will manage to join the celibate elite, those vestal virgins, who precede you by millennia.<br /><br />I wish you well, the world needs more more benign souls, to make room for the rest of us.Oscar Bajnernoreply@blogger.com