Wednesday, June 22, 2011

Antinatalism as a Dangerous Idea



I made a new video this morning, and have spent most of the rest of the day watching antinatalism material on YouTube, pro and con. Wow, the idea continues to slowly infiltrate public discourse; slowly, but (I'm hoping) surely. Not so surprisingly, the refutations are by and large empty rhetoric of the kind we're used to seeing. Lots of posturing on both sides, although I'll confess I don't mind the posturing if it's backed up with some salient argumentation. Gary's wonderful and devastating to his opposition (Consumption, Reprodution, Canabalism and Addiction...love it!), even though I'm aware that some are probably averse to his style. I love the guy, but then I have to admit I'm biased towards his side of the argument. But within the bluster he has a helluva lot of good things to say, and good points to make that nobody I've seen has refuted to any substantial degree.

Anyway, in my perusing I came across this fine, balanced take on the debate, and I thought I'd share it with you all here. I'm not aware of the guy's position on the subject, or even if he has one, but I thought he made a lot of sense. Plus there's no yelling :) Enjoy.

UPDATE: And even as we speak, a new voice has joined the chorus. Jeebus bless the youngsters!

16 comments:

Sister Y said...

a new voice has joined the chorus

Dibs.

(Just kidding, I'll share)

metamorphhh said...

Sister Y:

Then for your sake, I'll hope he isn't castrati. Then again...

Sister Y said...

Why is mutilating children's genitals like, the national sport of the world?

metamorphhh said...

Not sure. I suppose part of it's control of pleasure by the elders. What else...punishment against the nasty parts? Cultural psychology can be bizarre at times.

Chip said...

The new kid is very good. I like that he presents a minimalist set of premises that emphasizes the inarguable absence of consent. The consent problem seems especially sensitive since it suggests that a coherent refutation of core antinatalist reasoning cannot be mounted without substantial deviation from commonly shared moral intuitions. That's a sure recipe for cognitive dissonance ... and name-calling.

Francois Tremblay said...

Sadly, the theory of evolution didn't lead to Anarchy... :)

Anonymous said...

Regarding a recent video by Gary...If all women looked like Anton's female parter, antinatalism might make more headway. :-) No offense to the ladies here.

filrabat said...

I got almost a dozen google alerts about antinatalism and antinatalist, not all of them from YouTube. Has anyone else experienced this?

PlanetOfTheApes said...

http://www.google.com/alerts/manage

Anonymous said...

PING: SISTER Y:

You must be rich. LA is now a shithole, unlike the 50's-70's, when SoCal was indeed a paradise. Are you in the market for a boy toy?

Sister Y said...

I'm not rich. LA is the best city on the planet, and everyone who says differently is just jealous. And I need another boy like I need a hole in the head, but thanks. (Oh wait, I do need a hole in the head . . . )

Anonymous said...

Sister Y: I know "L.A." can mean Santa Cruz or Compton. I trust you live in one of the enclaves on the coast. I live in the Deep South hell. My humble abode and property might sell for over $500,000 out there.

At any rate, my post was meant in no way to be hostile. I must say I much appreciate your articles on your blog about the utter lack of male reproductive freedom.

Sister Y said...

No hostility perceived, my dear. I rarely perceive a sexual invitation as hostile unless it originates with a drunk dude in a pick-up truck.

Anonymous said...

Sister Y: I'll stop abusing Jim's blog after this post.I just wanted to say that a woman who is sex positive and strongly antinatalist is probably rare, at least among women for us guys seeking a LTR or more with.

But I'm still game. :-)

Sister Y said...

Jim likes having his blog abused.

If you (or anyone in Deep South baby buggy hell, or the cultural equivalent) want to talk, my email address is sister.eee@gmail.com, but I am in a few relationships already, plus I have a miserable case of New Relationship Energy at the moment (hence my sudden gush of output on my blog), so I'm a bad candidate for LTR (if my unabashed suicidality didn't already disqualify me <3).

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