UPDATE: Not saying the interview is right out, but motivations are fickle things. I imagine he'll assault my sense of decency sooner rather than later, and out will come the poison pen once again to slay the dastardly...um...what is it, exactly? Some kind of Cronenberg freakydeaky?
Monday, October 19, 2020
Ok, Enough of That
So, mea culpa, that's it from me on the Professor Greyroots crap, unless he happens to take me up on my offer (yeah, I'll be holding my breath over that one). I really hate getting involved, and I must discipline myself to remain detached from nonsense and drama. I realize that a lot of people admire passion. I do not. Naturally and like everyone else I am moved by forces not under my control. Let's put it this way: My personal moral and intellectual aesthetic has come under apparent assault, simply by the observation of pigs rolling with pigs. A personal fault, for in the end won't pigs be pigs? Gotta work on that. Anyway, I'm feeling the caesures which move me moving on to greener pastures. However, I do have more to say about my new self-definition as post-antinatalist...a lot more to say, actually... and perhaps over the course of months I'll say it. But always remember, it doesn't matter what I say. It matters what you think. Boingggggggg....
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I was just about to come to this blog to ask if it was necessary to worry about how you were going with all this. I read your last posts and thought, "I'm not sure if this looks healthy or not". So I am glad to see that you're shot of this at last.
A few of us had a fair bit of discussion about Mosher on Josh's blog at the start of the year, after that ridiculous interview with Amanda. You would have noticed it, maybe, if you still have your account there (it's closed to the public now). The shared emotion was anger and indignation at the bastard. After a while, though, I think it's fair to say we all just got sick of it. I know one or two people who were quite involved in things got burnt out with all this rubbish. In the end, it just isn't worth it.
As a mere antinatalist I'd love a clean break between AN and efilism. Amanda has a lot to answer for with that, but that's another issue. Things are what they are, and if you can't beat 'em, forget it. I don't care much for tragic heroism either.
Anyway - hope you'll be able to relax for a bit. Things are absolutely bad enough as they are, and well out of everyone's control. At least we can choose which battles to ignore.
Actually I've had a lot of fun doing this the last few days. I just don't understand how someone can go on pounding the same nail year after bloody year like this guy. If I were in a more generous mood I'd write it off to determinism and that would be that. That IS, in fact, an attitude worth fostering, and I'd like to follow up on that in future posts. But this guy has turned out to be just a toxic cesspool, and even though I'm fully on board with Shakespeare's all the world's a stage stuff, this nonsense has just fallen into the orchestra pit. Also I heard a timpani was damaged beyond repair!
Thanks for your concern, Andrew. No worries, things are never quite as they may seem with me despite the literary histrionics. You wouldn't believe some of the behind-the-scenes shenanigans. I try to make my approach conversational, but sometimes I might lay it on too thick and worry folks. LOL, I'm a poet and I know it because my longformstreamofconsciousnessheadyaphoristicmetaphors show it! :)
Oh, and as far as some of the later stringency, I just didn't want to leave any wiggle room about where I stand on all this. I always hesitate to do this kind of stuff because it usually winds up smacking of virtue signaling, which I just detest as a general principal. In some ways it was a perfect storm of drug and television withdrawal combined with my virtual covid imprisonment, I think. Burst of energy sort of thing. Anyway, see you on the webwaves!
I just tortured myself watching his latest video. It's pretty scary how casually he discusses certain things.
Yeah, he's either like watching paint dry, or watching paint throw up all over itself while it masturbates to fantasies of murdering pregnant women. Sounds like you got the latter. blech
Having a more conscious "belief" in determinism has helped me a lot, personally. It has led me more towards a classic nihilist outlook than any conventional morality based line, as far as human behaviour is concerned. I often found that where AN falls to the ground in general is there being no hope of convincing everyone to consciously give up and go gracefully. But it only falls if it gets to the point where it's carried as an ideology, rather than an ethical conviction.
This is where, I think, antinatalists have to wrestle with the demon of determinism and have to come to some conclusion one way or the other. Those who adopt an outright activists stance seem to have concluded that free will is the deciding factor. Free will, moreover, influenced by logic and rational argument and nothing else.
Me too, Andrew. I'm still trying to formulate my thinking about this matter. I'll try and get back to the subject soon.
How do feel about the idea of using AN to force the hand of those in power? I know there are some women embracing what they call a "birthstrike." Not providing anymore taxpayers/consumers until those in power concede to certain demands.
Well, I'm certainly all for a birth strike. If nothing else, the ensuing conversation might put the ethics of procreation under a brighter light.
Hey Jim. Hadn't checked in for a while and just came back to see a whole bunch of new posts! I'm happy to see you're still at it. I've been wanting to get back into making things myself but YouTube has kind of lost it's luster for me, so maybe I should do what all the cool kids are doing and start blogging myself. ;)
As for the subject matter of your posts, needless to say I feel you. For me the issue is a bit complicated. Having come from an abusive background, Gary was one of my personal heroes back then, because he gave a voice to my pain and feelings towards life in a way that no one else had or even really could. I loved the man, and a part of me still does, which is why when he gets on camera and says he would push a pregnant woman down the stairs if she refused to have an abortion, or tacitly endorses violence towards procreators, or continues to treat his supporters who clearly adore him in shitty ways, it still really disappoints and infuriates me. Honestly, that interview he did with Amanda was just the tip of the iceberg of the horrible things he's said publicly over the years, and I hold him mostly responsible for why this community is so fractured now (it wasn't always like that as I'm sure you recall).
It is what it is though. Life is full of disappointments and your heroes usually turn out to be lame. I've accepted that, but I am definitely not disappointed to see you so active. I hope you and yours are doing well, good sir, and I look forward to reading more.
Hey, Jim!
Weird - I was unable to sleep last night and got reminiscing of the good ol' days around 08 - 12 when AN was largely a blog world with civilised people who formed a genuine community of like-minded souls. Now it's largely anonymous and soulless FB groups.
Anyway, just checked the blog and you're active again! Albeit it seems in a confrontational way with Inmendham.
Like Wayward above, Gary was a revelation to me back in 08 - he was the first guy I ever saw in a video articulate all the horrible feelings I had about life. I even recall the first comment I made here about him that went something like "Holy shit- this guy is like the new Socrates!"
I haven't watched him in quite a few years as the repetition and intolerance were getting a bit much for me. It's sad to see you guys at odds as I regard you both as the Internet "fathers" of AN.
Anyway, hope things are ok in your own life, Jim.
Karl
Out of town and on my phone, but I owe you guys a lengthy reply when I get back home. Great seeing both of you😀
Hi, guys. Yeah, I get it. I'm usually not one to fault a person because of his/her eccentricities, even when there's some hostility involved. Like you, I recognized the pain that his angrier moments were coming from, and I could certainly relate TO A DEGREE. It didn't even bother me much when he branched off into efilism, even though it was pretty obvious that the move had to do more with his narcissistic need to feel special and superior than anything else. And honestly, he WAS being misreresented a lot.
Like you, I'd lost interest in him quite a number of years back, especially when he started automatically disparaging anyone who disagreed with him as liars and pedophiles. What a creepy thing to do! But you know, that's what creeps do, and he is one of the worst of them. I also can't help but wonder how much of the pedophile talk was projection on his part, which scares me more than a little. Not much different than the way he calls everybody cowards, when I really can't think of much more cowardly an act than murdering pregnant women. Of course, I doubt he could ever personally bring himself to do that; if you remember the time that atheist internet lady paid a visit, it was obvious that it was all he could do to keep from falling to the ground in fear and pissing himself. If nothing else, he MIGHT have the most severely twisted vision of himself on the planet, which at least makes him special in one respect, at least. :)
I mean, think about it. He literally believes that he is the smartest guy in the world (and probably the sexiest, lol). Unfortunately he also believes he has the capacity to be judge, jury and executioner, and these two things taken together are a recipe for disaster, because his weak-minded followers who hang on every vile phrase he utters might actually be capable of exercising the violence that he fantasizes about. Well, he DOES kill cats, so maybe he will find it within himself to climb those basements steps someday and become a lurker in the night.
I don't know about you, but I'm getting some real strong Charles Manson-ish vibes from him these days. And like Manson, when one of his little Squeaky Frohms decides to go out and do what he's too chickenshit to do on his own, I'm sure he'll blame everyone but himself. That's the kind of guy he seems to be these days. Hell, maybe he always was and I just didn't want to see it, who knows?
Anyway, despite his continuous recitations of "follow the argument" and "logic is everything", which as anyone knows by now is the most utter of all bullshit, it's really all about his acute egomania. Unlike his protestations, he really cannot be reasoned with in any form or fashion. All that's left is either silence in the face of his venomous non-sense, or mockery. I've gone the former way for quite a long time, so I thought I'd go the other way for a while. Switch things up, you know? And perhaps along the way a few of his sheep will go from baaaaa to bwaaahaaaahaaaaa! Humor has its own way of getting the point across, I reckon. :)
One more thing: I noticed the other day one of his sad sheeplings doing her darndest to kiss up to him in his comments section, something I've seen a good number of times over the years. All I can say to these sad folks is please, take a while and work up a smidgen of self-respect, won't you? This guy you follow and respect is an abject charlatan who feeds on your self-loathing like a fly takes to shit. He has the emotional capacity of a 2 year old and the mental acumen to match, and contrary to his supposed care about the pain living beings endure, he actually feasts on your misery. He is just. no. good. Wake up, folks.
I've been considering deconstructing one of his vids line by line for a while now, but I just can't seem to find the energy knowing as I do that I'll probably just be preaching to the choir. Plus, you know, I'd have to listen to an hour or more of the same old shit he's been spewing for the last 10 years. Maybe someday, if I get pissed off enough. :)
OMG, his latest 'science' video is entitled 'Draft Science vs. Richard Feynman'!!! Dunning-Kruger, meet your patron saint! Bwahahahahahahahahaha!
I haven't watched a video from him in about seven years, I reckon. So is he now advocating homicide against pregnant women?
I don't like having a go at peopple, but I do think the lady called Amanda has a little to answer for here. I appreciate we all need some meaning or purpose in our lives, but she has made Gary into a personal God and spread his gospel everywhere she can. She also seems to think Gary IS anti-natalism, or rather Efilism, as she and the followers seem to think Efilism is the logical and necessary conclusion of AN and Gary is its Prophet.
As for Gary's own personal predilections, I'd wager it's more a matter of a guy who has no interaction with anyone becoming simply intolerant of even the most reasonable criticism. I guess many of us know what that can be like to a certain degree given as a group ANs probably aren't the most socialable in the world, but he's obviously taken it to the limit.
Of course the age of the net and Youtube also leads to this kind of internet 'celebrity' and 'demi-god' phenomenon. That's why I get nostalgic for the blog days.
Women who spermjack men deserve the death penalty, no doubt about it!
Karl- Yeah, it's all personality cult these days, and I have to agree with you about YouTube, at least in this case. If he was forced to write this stuff down instead of blathering on and on for an hour plus, perhaps his followers would see that the emperor has no clothes. Yikes! I forgot what the main attraction is there for a sec. Just barfed in my mouth a little.
Donut- Could he get any cruller?
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